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Local Skepticism Surrounds Saturday Mail Cuts

Many in Eastern Nassau including Rep. Peter King, R-Seaford, say postal service should reconsider; others say keeping costs down is key.

The announcement by the U.S. Postal Service that it will eliminate Saturday mail delivery has met with a wide range of skepticism by Long Island political and business leaders Wednesday.

Many in Congress, including Rep. Peter King, R-Seaford, were caught by surprise by the Post Office announcement. Congressman King made clear he's against their proposal:

“I have consistently supported Saturday delivery and will support legislation to keep Saturday delivery in place," King told Patch.

The plan, proposed to take effect in August, is opposed by many farmers, the letter carriers' union and others, the Huffington Post reported.

The Post Office lost nearly $16 billion last year and is looking for ways to stem the bleeding in the age of the internet and stiff private competition.

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For small businesses, there is more at stake, said Gary Epstein, president of the Plainview-Old Bethpage Chamber of Commerce: "Not having Saturday delivery of mail would not affect my business at all and if it would save on additional postage increases, I am in favor," Epstein said.

Beth Mignone, president of the Farmingdale Chamber of Commerce, largely agreed: "I feel that the government is trying everything possible to cut back to save money," Mignone said. "It's a sign of the times, and honestly, does it matter if your mail comes Monday instead of Saturday?"

But Mignone expressed concerns for postal workers who may end up losing their jobs. So far, the Postal Service said its staff reductions will come in the form of retirements and attrition.

Would you miss having Saturday mail delivery? Let us know in the comments.

Chris Wendt February 11, 2013 at 12:06 pm
Factual correction: The Board of Governors of the United States Postal Service,not Congress, oversees the Postal Service. The Postmaster General is elected by the Presidentially-appointed members of the Board of Governors and serves as a member.
The PRC (Postal Regulatory Commission, originally the Postal Rate Commission), a separate commission appointed by the President, sets postage rates. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Board_of_Governors_of_the_United_States_Postal_Service http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postal_Regulatory_Commission Congress always has a lot to say about the Post Office, but since 1970 they have had little or no say about its actual operations. Sure, they like to say they have "oversight", but that is about the same as the "oversight" provided by Newsday or the NY Times. Saturday mail delivery is critical for Publication mailings (subscription magazines) and for Advertising mailings. Curtailing Saturday delivery will hurt some companies (and jobs), and could negatively impact the economy. Forcing publications and advertising mailers to find alternatives to Saturday mail delivery (which they will do), may hasten the eventual demise of the Postal Service. Presently (and since 1970) there is no federal tax dollar subsidy provided to the USPS for postal operations. Postal operations are funded solely by postage rates (stamps, etc.). Congress has no say over postage rates.
Joe February 11, 2013 at 01:35 pm
I didn't get any delivery this Saturday, seems when its a little wet or snowy he/she doesn't show up, so as far as I'm concern cut Saturday, better yet, cut it back to three days a week.
Lorraine DeVita February 11, 2013 at 02:12 pm
With the availability of
Bills and banking - online Correspondence- On line Catalogs etc. - online Basically when the mailbox is opened how much REAL mail do we get and how often?- The problem is the USPS hasnt addressed or adjusted to the role technology has taken in communicating - No mail on Saturday - no problem- As more people opt for electronic delivery , as more government , municipalities and SD's see and utilize the cost savings in electronic delivery the less frequently we will see actual MAIL in the box. SS checks will soon be EFT, Vet disability checks will soon be EFT, there is a potential for substancial cost savings: the least of which is reduction in paper,printing, and manual labor, as well actual speed of delivery will be noticed. The USPS has started to promote themselves within the past few years as a viable alternative PACKAGE delivery system similiar but on a lesser scale to Fed Ex and UPS to keep themselves sustainable. Perhaps expanding that role could be key in saving the USPS from total demise.
Wantaghborn February 11, 2013 at 03:45 pm
Lorraine, SS already is EFT - I have been getting it this way since 2001 when I became disabled.
It isn't technology alone that is dooming the USPS. The #1 factor is that Congress REQUIRES them to fully fund their Pension system out to 70 years, meaning they have to fund pensions for people not yet even born, much less in the employ of the USPS yet. If Rep King is so upset about the loss of Sat mail, then let him sponsor a bill that is more realistic, keeping the funding to say a mere 30 years. The employees will still get a pension, something very rare in the US these days which makes retirement so damn hard for a lot of people, but will allow the USPS to start showing profits again. Politics has no place in the mail system, as it is part and parcel of the US infrastructure that keeps commerce running smoothly, as noted in the article. Mr King, if you really want to assist your constituents and the business community on your district, put your words into actions and do something to make an insane process more sane and fair. Otherwise, we risk loosing the USPS and many businesses will suffer greatly - local businesses that make the US economy work.
Lorraine DeVita February 11, 2013 at 03:54 pm
@Wantaghborn- not quite at SS age yet so wasnt aware it was already in place. thanks for the info!
Chris Wendt February 11, 2013 at 03:58 pm
Without the marginal financial contribution of First-Class Mail revenue, the Postal Service would not be able to function as a viable provider of its other services, including Express Mail, Priority Mail, Publications, Advertising Mail, Parcel Post, Postal Money Orders, Post Office Boxes (proxy addresses), and Passport Services. The matter of fact is that, out of all the USPS services, only First-Class Mail (meaning physical mail pieces that fit the definition of FCM) is protected under the USPS' legal monopoly.
To look at this as Lorraine suggests, without FCM revenue, the "postage" rates for packages would have to rise to the levels of UPS and FedEx, probably higher. It is doubtful USPS could successfully compete with FedEx or UPS, although they could become partners of some sort. But then what would happen to constitutionally required universal mail service which a huge georgraphical area of the country still depends upon to a very significant degree?
Thomas February 11, 2013 at 04:44 pm
We should have the option to just opt out of as many mail delivery days as we want. All I need is mail once a week to deliver whatever physical bills that still exist. Fedex & UPS is all I need for everything else. The post office is obsolete and continuing service as is a joke and waste of money.
Lorraine DeVita February 11, 2013 at 05:25 pm
Chris, The USPS has the route to Every door in the US - they need to look at that as a resource, combined with their delivery equipment and systems , these are true LOGISTICS resources that can be retooled expanded and re marketed, all while keeping FCM as a small business unit within a more diverse company. But again we have to look at the cost of pensions, benefits and unions and the effect they are having on all areas of the economy ..
. Long live the Union but bankrupt the Employer and the taxpayer ? Better an unemployed union member than employed in a non union job?
Chris Wendt February 11, 2013 at 05:28 pm
Thomas, as much as I agree with your sentiment, aesthically, what you are suggesting would be tantamount to telling Cablevision, and all major television programming networks and syndicates that you want to be able to opt-out of commercials on TV (radio, the Internet, magazines etc.).
Universal mail service is a mandate upon the U.S. Postal Service. They could not provide universal service if individuals opted-out. Allowing customers to opt out of Saturday delivery would not save the USPS any money, because USPS would still have to staff the carrier routes to deliver the mail to people who did not opt out. Then USPS would incur increased costs associated with pulling and holding and re-sequencing mail for later delivery (on Mondays). You may not realize that all FCM letters and cards are "carrier-walk sequenced" by machine before your carrier gets it to put into his truck and deliver them. The machine is called the delivery-point barcode sorting machine,, and it uses those extra four digits added to your ZIP Code (ZIP+4 Code) to sort each carrier's mail in the exact sequence he walks his route.
Chris Wendt February 11, 2013 at 05:47 pm
@ Lorraine DeVita re USPS unions and compensation and benefits. The USPS has excessed hundreds of thousands of jobs since the advent of the historic R90-1 Rate Case (in 1991) which brought about "work sharing" between the USPS and its customers. Work sharing includes the ability for mailers to earn significant rate discounts for pre-sorting, barcoding, mail-piece standardization, and various options for mailers to drop mail at destination postal facilities ranging from multi-state bulk mail centers (Jersey City NJ), or to regional mail processing centers (Mid-Island PD&C in Melville), to local delivery units (individual post offices like Wantagh, North Wantagh, or Seaford), thus materially reducing the USPS cost to handle and transport mail around the country, while speeding up the entire mailing to delivery sequence.
USPS pay and benefits, including pensions, are very modest compared to other large employee groups. The USPS was (and may still be) the largest non-military empoyer in the U.S. Many of their employees are non-union, seasonal or provisional.
Lorraine DeVita February 11, 2013 at 06:23 pm
i was speaking in general. imho - unions are bankrupting this country.
Michael G. February 11, 2013 at 06:51 pm
The USPS is an underutilized resource for information distribution when the power grid and phone lines go down. To cut them back at this time is imprudent. One generator and a copy machine is all you need to inform a whole town if you have reliable carriers that will take that message to each person's mailbox.
Chris Wendt February 11, 2013 at 06:52 pm
Are you absolving every employer who ever agreed to give their union employees raises and to pay more for their benefits? Are you holding harmless the decades upon decades of elected politicians who enacted mandates for employee pay and benefits, especially NYSTRS and the Triborough doctrine (Amendment to the Taylor Law)?
No union ever once gave themselves a nickel more in pay, or added even one day more sick or vacation time to their contract.. If your gripe is the level and cost of (unionized) employees' pay and benefits, then take aim at the root causes: overly generous politicians and incompetent employers...not at the unions, who are, after all, only doing their job on behalf of their members.
Thomas February 11, 2013 at 07:13 pm
One generator and 1 copy machine? You forgot to include the pony.
Lorraine DeVita February 11, 2013 at 07:30 pm
lets just say we agree to disagree and while i dont disagree with everythiing you are saying, you seem to forget the "i got ya by the b-lls" if you DONT agree to our T&Cs" because we will
A) walk and distrupt service ie IBEW CWA etc B) slow down - ALL unions C) work under the same contract ad infinitum so we dont truly have anything to lose and therefore DONT really need to negotiate anything - now do we? CSE Teachers etc. So sometimes Chris imho atleast no one is blamless and in some cases some hold more blame then others.
Chris Wendt February 11, 2013 at 07:46 pm
..,only, except, but, every time the Town does that, people start ranting about excesses and abuses on the part of Town government. Or the County government.
Hilarity Jones February 11, 2013 at 08:48 pm
Get rid of Saturday delivery, it saves money.
As per usual, Lorraine, you shoot, no ammo. You "SS checks will soon be EFT" ......has been for a decade, which you didn't know, but blamed your age as to not have been able to collect. I ask why do you not know when SS$ are distributed, when it is solely based on age? But of course you make a comment, and excuse yourself. Next "Vet disability checks will soon be EFT" ......already done But you must have known that, or not.. Another beauty ...."actual speed of delivery will be noticed".....please tell everyone how eliminating a day of delivery with the same volume will define your statement. Next....Oh, I just realized it is the Wendt/DeVita show. Thank GOD we will all be smarter after this exchange, Lord knows it must be true!!!
Lilly Hayden February 11, 2013 at 09:56 pm
But this will leave one less day to receive those beautiful mailings from Kate Murray, with that nice graphic art provided for by her new graphic artists.
Personally i would miss Saturday mail delivery at Christmas time, especially as it would affect receiving cards.
Ozone Park Native February 13, 2013 at 11:59 am
I got no mail on Monday either - called the Seaford P.O. and asked about that and was greeted with a very "Curt" female who stated quickly, "You're getting mail today, thank you for calling, have a nice day." Then she hung up on me. Disgusted with this Post Office. They gave everybody who was affected by the hurricane a rough time after 30 days, telling everyone if they wanted to continue having the post office keep their mail that we would have to get a PO Box (which cost alot of $$$$$). Total revamp of that place is in need. Personally, I'm glad no mail on Sat. Alot of companies aren't even open on Sat. for you to call and dispute/question something; you have to wait until Monday anyway.
Ozone Park Native February 13, 2013 at 12:03 pm
Also, my son had to call Washington to complain about that post office officially several times because he wasn't receiving his Netflix cd's when he was supposed to; then he would finally get them (a week later) and they were visibly opened and used. When he complained (and got a complaint #) it never happened again. Just a head's up, I know this sounds trivial to some, but not for nothing it's a fed. offense to open somebody elses mail.
Ozone Park Native February 13, 2013 at 12:05 pm
Well said

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